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Poster: the_full_monte Date: Sep 12, 2008 12:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non-Dead McCain Education

Sure can, sure do, still plan to vote for her. I really don't give two shits about the made-up fuss over the Bush Doctrine question. It's certainly no worse than Obama's "Iran is NOT A THREAT TO US" moment. Won't affect the outcome and shouldn't- simply a bunch of knuckle-kneeding worry-worting from people who aren't going to vote for her anyway...

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Poster: spacedface Date: Sep 12, 2008 7:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non-Dead McCain Education

Please. Just when is Iran, home of some Aryans, supposed to get those bombs? And how in hell would they deliver them to US?

They are very far off from being a threat to the US. Neoccon fear mongering is lame.

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Poster: the_full_monte Date: Sep 12, 2008 8:00pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non-Dead McCain Education

Hmmmm.....they've pretty much acknowledged their nuke program and are a well documented state sponsor of terrorism...if a working bomb or three is developed, obtaining the ability to deliver it would be a short hop relatively speaking........that's not fear mongering, pal- just laying the facts on the table. If you happen to agree with Obama, great, but I live in the real world.

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Poster: spacedface Date: Sep 13, 2008 1:31pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non-Dead McCain Education

Why are you so scared of the Iranians?! Are they subhumanoid now, or genetically damaged rejects from the European and Indian Aryans?

Or is it just the oil talking?

Why aren't you scared of India, where the govt Hindu party is involved in violent suppression of Chritians and Muslims? Or why not Israel, which punishes Jews for marrying non-Jews and builds Jewish-only roads? They stole nuclear material and secrets from US and have plenty of bombs they can hit US with today. They even knowingly destroyed the US Navy intelligence ship USS Liberty so they could take over Jerusalem.

I personally don't mix well with Iranians I've worked with but why let cultural differences cause war? If the US was really interested in nuke nonproliferation we'd we be leading the way, not making sweetheart deals.

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Poster: Edsel Date: Sep 13, 2008 2:01pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non-Dead McCain Education

No one needs to be subhuman, or a genetically damaged reject to act like a fool. You should know that.

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Poster: spacedface Date: Sep 13, 2008 2:53pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non-Dead McCain Education

Yes, I live in a country filled with people who want the best of the world and make precious little in trade for it.

We think that enormous reserves of weapons is enough to keep people paying US off. We had $9 trillion in debt last week, which has been building since Nixon. Republican management has caused almost all of this, and they just added another $5 trillion more to cover last week.

The Iranians could be a problem, but we have them surrounded. We have much BIGGER problems. We've shipped many jobs away and imported so many cheap guest workers that we can't possibly afford to pay our debt, much less keep importing energy and goods at a level to support the comforts we expect. Our crops are a result energy-intensive farming, so even food could be a problem if we're not careful. Bank failures and crop failures are tricky -- see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_Plot

Even if Obama is elected it might just be that the right wing could still come in for the final kill of the constitution soon -- we're in that deep.

Whining about a small country trying to protect itself while we ourselves give passes for others is not going to give a good result. Constant lying in political ads won't work either.

Sorry for the jeremiad (a text that denounces a society for its wickedness, like from the prophet Jeremiah).




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Poster: rastamon Date: Sep 13, 2008 3:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non-Dead McCain Education

"Even if Obama is elected it might just be that the right wing could still come in for the final kill of the constitution soon -- we're in that deep".

One (I)can easily substitute 'left wing' up there, and we will be in deep with Obamayomamma

"Whining about a small country trying to protect itself while we ourselves give passes for others is not going to give a good result. Constant lying in political ads won't work either".

A small country with a crazy end-time cultist, jihadist with developing Nuke's. Japan was small also.
Add thousands of eager belt-bombin F'n freaks. If Obama is selected, he best crush Iran.(i doubt it)

Small country my ass!

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Poster: spacedface Date: Sep 13, 2008 10:18pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non-Dead McCain Education

>>>A small country with a crazy end-time cultist, jihadist with developing Nuke's. Japan was small also.
Add thousands of eager belt-bombin F'n freaks. If Obama is selected, he best crush Iran.(i doubt it)

Small country my ass!>>>


Mon you ain no rasta. Ones I met respected the big ayatallah of Iran more than I do.

Calm down and think about it. We need to respond to threats but only real ones.
-- Iran is not on a massive building program.
-- They are currently surrounded by the US army and by countries not interested in their culture.
-- They are not a large country.
-- The US and Britain topple their democracy and put in a dictatorship - that was the reason for the revolution.
-- Most of their population wants peace and prosperity.

It's like some of you never read Orwell and Huxley.

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Poster: the_full_monte Date: Sep 13, 2008 9:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non-Dead McCain Education

Good Lord- there's so much foolishness here it's hard to know where to begin...

Yes, I live in a country filled with people who want the best of the world and make precious little in trade for it.

"Republican management has caused almost all of this, and they just added another $5 trillion more to cover last week."

You've got to be fucking kidding. Democrats controled both the house and senate for the majority of time since Nixon was elected in 1978. Therefore, any budget set in front of any president, Democrat or Republican, was one the Jackass party signed off on.


"We have much BIGGER problems. We've shipped many jobs away and imported so many cheap guest workers that we can't possibly afford to pay our debt, much less keep importing energy and goods at a level to support the comforts we expect."

A dubious claim at best, with nothing offered to support the implied reltionship.

"Our crops are a result energy-intensive farming, so even food could be a problem if we're not careful. Bank failures and crop failures are tricky -- see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_Plot";

I don't know any serious economist who cites Wikipedia for anything.

Even if Obama is elected it might just be that the right wing could still come in for the final kill of the constitution soon -- we're in that deep.

"Whining about a small country trying to protect itself while we ourselves give passes for others is not going to give a good result. Constant lying in political ads won't work either."

This is just a bunch of gibberish. 'Give a good result'? Come on, you can do better than that.

Sorry for the jeremiad (a text that denounces a society for its wickedness, like from the prophet Jeremiah).

You really are sort of silly. I'd just go away if I were you- you really just sound like a little bit of a quack.

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Poster: spacedface Date: Sep 13, 2008 10:31pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non-Dead McCain Education

>>>You've got to be fucking kidding. Democrats controled both the house and senate for the majority of time since Nixon was elected in 1978. Therefore, any budget set in front of any president, Democrat or Republican, was one the Jackass party signed off on.>>>

The budget is controlled (proposed, forecast, and managed) by the Executive Branch. Sure "sign-off" might sound powerful but it's of course riddled by add-ons. It's a tango but led by the executive.

And your counting memory seems frayed.


>>>"We have much BIGGER problems. We've shipped many jobs away and imported so many cheap guest workers that we can't possibly afford to pay our debt, much less keep importing energy and goods at a level to support the comforts we expect."

A dubious claim at best, with nothing offered to support the implied reltionship.>>>

Your response is barely intelligible -- those ARE English words but they don't explain how you think we can pay our debt and if foreign lenders will continue to support us indefinitely.

>>>>"Our crops are a result energy-intensive farming, so even food could be a problem if we're not careful. Bank failures and crop failures are tricky -- see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_Plot";;

I don't know any serious economist who cites Wikipedia for anything.>>>>

We are not serious economists, most of whom are phony hacks interested in cash or lost in academic nonsense. The OMB head under Reagan got into trouble for admitting that they had no clue what was going with the numbers.

In any case serious crop failures compounded problems of finance in the Great Depression. Earth changes are even more serious now, and major economics problems could pose a threat to democracy. Obama might not be as well placed and influential as FDR, and with the erosion of freedoms under Bush you just have to wonder if we can avoid another Business Plot (see the video on Google or the wikipedia entry).

I'm sorry but I expect more of Deadheads, like having been exposed to history beyond MacNeil/Lierh and the myths of America. Nothing fancy just some basic sampling of Howard Zinn, Chomsky, and this guy:
http://www.uvm.edu/~jloewen/


>>>"Whining about a small country trying to protect itself while we ourselves give passes for others is not going to give a good result. Constant lying in political ads won't work either."

This is just a bunch of gibberish. 'Give a good result'? Come on, you can do better than that.>>>

This is a silly board for God's sake. It was sloppy not gibberish, and to claim that is just more hand waiving and avoidance. Lie unto others before they try to straighten things out -- that a Republican homily.

>>>You really are sort of silly. I'd just go away if I were you- you really just sound like a little bit of a quack. >>>

Sorry no, but I learned to duck.
(duck, it's Wayne Brady, son)

Please do tell -- how can a small country without weapons of mass destruction be such a threat to the country with the largest arsenal in the history of the earth?

Pride blinds us to our sin. Go ahead feed your anger and feel the power of the dark side -- "bomb them back to shtone" as the generals like to say.

Choose one lyric fragment from the shadowbox:
Just one thing for ME
I know you'll think of ME

Time vampires, ahhhh

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Poster: the_full_monte Date: Sep 13, 2008 10:59pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non-Dead McCain Education

Obviously the Nixon thing was a typo, however...

Here's the thing. People like Zinn and Chumpsky are basically jokes. They might be big deals to stoned sophomores and lazy, tenured college profs- two of the most worthless clumps of humanity around- but to most people who make the real world run, they're fucking jokes.

America is not what is wrong with the world. Point blank period. Wacky doomsday cultists like that freak running the show in Iran, on the other hand, are very much an issue. Sorry if you won't accept it, but it doesn't make it any less of a fact.

At least posters like BD have some wit and charm about them. You just come off like a self-impressed ass bag. You really need to go back and look at how silly your stuff sounds. Come back to the big people's table when you've grown up.

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Poster: spacedface Date: Sep 13, 2008 11:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non-Dead McCain Education

>>>America is not what is wrong with the world. Point blank period. Wacky doomsday cultists like that freak running the show in Iran, on the other hand, are very much an issue. Sorry if you won't accept it, but it doesn't make it any less of a fact.>>>

You saying Wacky, doomsday, cultists, and calling serious scholars jokes doesn't make it TRUE. Venom isn't fact substitute.

Thinking you're one of big people, well I told you about pride. Check your best book on that.

And really, duck it's Wayne Brady, son.

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Poster: spacedface Date: Sep 13, 2008 11:22pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non-Dead McCain Education

But seriously, I could share what I know or reconstruct what I think I know if you want to explore a topic in more depth.

I might be able to muster a more friendly tone, you'd have to stick to facts!

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Sep 13, 2008 9:50pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non-Dead McCain Education

Not to argue your points, but "since Nixon was elected in 1978"?

...even Richard Nixon has soul...

which way to zuma beach?

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Poster: spacedface Date: Sep 14, 2008 2:30pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non-Dead McCain Education

"Hmmmm.....they've pretty much acknowledged their nuke program and are a well documented state sponsor of terrorism...if a working bomb or three is developed, obtaining the ability to deliver it would be a short hop"


Jumps in logic can be tricky.

The December 2007 the United States National Intelligence Estimate says Iran stopped the parts of its program that could lead to weapons. Moreover unlike Pakistan, India and Israel, Iran has signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty.

If we follow treaties and laws, which we often ignore at our whim because we hold more WMDs than others, the issue would be less muddy, and disincentives would likely work.

This is just for the record.

Oh yeah, "state sponsor of terrorism" goes for many countries. The US and Israel are prominent among them having conducted operations against schools, libraries, etc and infamously funding and training death squads. And of course I do NOT condone any form of terrorism.

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Poster: the_full_monte Date: Sep 14, 2008 7:17pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non-Dead McCain Education

You were no better back when you just posted as "Spaced"

To call the US a state sponsor of terrorism is simply ridiculous- the worst sort of Noam Chumpsky-style fraud - and only solidifies the general impression that you are not someone to be taken seriously.

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Poster: spacedface Date: Sep 15, 2008 4:24am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non-Dead McCain Education - Come you masters of war

The only response is to mangle a thoughtful person's name?

THAT is silly. Maybe even more silly than calling "PW Songbird" a "Manchurian Candidate."

Now, "State Sponsors of Terrorism" is whatever WE say it is. It depends on what you want to call terrorism. Heck, by the Bush/Cheney junta's definition, McCain probably wasn't tortured. But of course he probably was and their definition is a fiction.

To avoid the refuge of scoundrels (look up an early source on that phrase for fun), that is permissible political violence in the name of national security or "defense," we have to be honest with ourselves -- even as we recognize that "terrorism" does not have an agreed legal meaning.

The School of Americas, or whatever rebrand they have going now, and other agencies certainly have provided support for acts of international terrorism. A few examples can be found in Wikipedia's "Allegations of state terrorism by the United States" and in numerous books and articles.

Going beyond the Wikipedia reference, you could also say that our whole foreign and economic policy toward the 3rd world supports acts of terrorism -- often by dictators we support in loans and weapons. Low-intensity and proxy wars cause a lot more damage than most Americans realize. Ok, well, everyone's heard of blood diamonds now, but how about the Congo's coltan rush?

How about our own and our promotion of Crimes of War like landmines around the world or the use of Depleted Uranium (DU) upon Iraq resulting severe body deformities and more. How about US terror against its own inhabitants, Natives, Blacks, and human medical experimentation. What we know about Project MK-ULTRA is just the tip of iceberg. Just be careful about free care for pregnant women and dental work for children.

I could go on but this is harsh enough. You guys seem to be neocons, or of a lessor form called Christian Dominionism, or "rastercons" or just uninformed.

That's really up to you when your deal comes time.

Let me ask you one question
Is your money that good
Will it buy you forgiveness
Do you think that it could
I think you will find
When your death takes its toll
All the money you made
Will never buy back your soul

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Poster: the_full_monte Date: Sep 15, 2008 6:22am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non-Dead McCain Education - Come you masters of war

I don't find you thoughtful; I find you laughable. You're sort of a cut-and-paste cliché, like a bad cartoon of a sandalista in some South Park episode.

I mean, “you could also say that our whole foreign and economic policy toward the 3rd world supports acts of terrorism”? Sure you could- if you’re really, really stupid. Otherwise, no, you couldn’t say this.

“I could go on but this is harsh enough.” If by harsh you mean paranoid gibberish, I agree. As someone else observed of your posts ages ago, you sound as though you haven’t graduated high school yet….or maybe you’re muddling along in community college somewhere, someone slipped you a copy of “People’s History of the United States” or some equally asinine volume, and you think you’re really on to something- when it reality you're just parroting tired rhetoric that was discredited ages ago. Which is fine, of course, if that's what suits you. Have a nice day.

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Poster: spacedface Date: Sep 15, 2008 12:56pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non-Dead McCain Education - Come you masters of war

>>dismiss out of hand.>>

So you admit you have a sealed heart.

I don't listen to Randi Rhodes or Rush (either one) and mentioning Rhodes is just stalling.

ok, mon-u-no-rasta, >>I don't find you thoughtful>>
ummm, Chomsky is thoughtful; you know when mangle his name you're not even criticizing him but some person you've made up.

Propagandists use name-calling; you're simply classic.

Just because you don't understand doesn't make it gibberish. I should remind you what the philosophers say: "Argument is an intellectual process. Contradiction is just the mere gainsaying of any statement the other person makes."

I went go to college in the midwest and grad school in New England, so your muse is faulty. But doing well in school doesn't assure success elsewhere -- just talking to you here is proof enough of failure.

The conservatives seem to know little of the ethics of Jesus, like the Goldren Rule verses. No one is claiming that the US is at fault for all the world's evil. If you look dispassionately at the actions of the US rulers over time, you couldn't ignore our faults. Look, we've murdered a couple of hundred thousand in a phony trumped up war. Shock & awe weapons on an innocent population -- that's terror.

This is not to say that Russia and China are better -- far from it. It's just that it's not impossible for the US to reform. We must if we want to keep the American Dream alive.

The world needs leadership, so get out of the way if you can't lend a hand. (Did Dylan endorse Obama?)

John McCain, who admits he knows nothing about economics, thinks the economy is going great! And you would vote for that creature?


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Poster: Edsel Date: Sep 15, 2008 2:00pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non-Dead McCain Education - Come you masters of war

"Propagandists use name-calling; you're simply classic."

You called McCain a creature, therefore, you must be a Propagandist. Imagine that.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Sep 15, 2008 2:51pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Joy Behar is friggin awesome

I'd call someone a hypocrit but that would be name calling.

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Poster: spacedface Date: Sep 15, 2008 10:38pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Joy Behar is friggin awesome

I need a miracle, I need a miracle, (mah,mah,mah,mah,mah)

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Poster: spacedface Date: Sep 15, 2008 11:00pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Joy Behar is friggin awesome

On a more serious note, this interview with the conservative US Army Colonel Andrew J. Bacevich, Ret. was great:
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/08152008/watch.html

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Poster: spacedface Date: Sep 15, 2008 10:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: dragon with matches started your pants on fire

Oh, you got me. Untimely death, oh wait the reality is far more interesting.

Today one of God's creatures was running a scam and said the economy was sound. That pushed the financial markets right off a cliff.

For the unwary out there, just take a look at McCain's economic advisor Gramm and his whole campaign staff. But from what I can tell both presidential candidates are in deep.

You guys seem to forget that Congress was run by Republican until recently. I have an idea that some of you don't understand how that can effect legislation!

McCain might be in deeper but it's hard to tell because he claims ignorance, though everyone seems to agree after today. It's not just the Phil Gramm factor that bring the unease. "McCain's campaign manager [Davis] served as president of a lobbying association that fought to protect Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae from the sort of regulation that McCain is now proposing."

McCain's actions have raised questions about whether he has learned much from his experience getting caught on the take in the Savings & Loan crisis. He sounds like Herbert Hoover as they say.

By the way, Olberman on MSNBC, The Daily Show, The Colbert Reporte, and CrooksandLiars.com is enough to keep the wolves of all parties at bay.

I do believe I've had enough.

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Poster: the_full_monte Date: Sep 15, 2008 1:03pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non-Dead McCain Education - Come you masters of war

Ah, grad school- so that’s what fucked you up.

Of course my heart is sealed in discourse with you- I feel good about myself, and you’re sounding more and more like a tape loop of some despicable

You really sound hypocritical, by the way, when you start in with your ethics of Jesus stuff. God's on your side, right? Bash the religious right for using Christ as a campaign bumper sticker, then turn around and do the same damn thing. Classy, Spaced- definately doesn't make you look like a moron or anything.

Better yet, why not hop in bed with the folks who wear dynamite on their hips and blow up toddlers in the name of Allah...they're all about claiming God is on their side, too. Just admit it- there’s nothing inherently fucked up about their worldview- they’re just the victims of western colonialism! It’s OUR fault Islam has become so soaked in shovelfuls of gore, right? All because the “little Eichmans” like me spend their days feeding the capitalist pig, right?

Damn, I’m glad I’ve got you to explain religious values to me!

McCain knows all he needs to know about economics, BTW. We're electing the leader of our government, not an editor for Forbes magazine or a quiz show contestant (or "a citizen of the world"). He’s not my first pick, but as long as I’m casting a vote against the Obamessiah (aka AntiChrist Superstar) this fall, I’ll feel FANTASTIC.

And as for phony wars and hundreds of thousands killed, who’s kidding who- millions have been slaughtered in the name of the collectivist ideology you no doubt embrace- in fact, a good chunk of all the killing done in the 20th century
was done in the name of brainless leftist ideology. But no doubt you’ll excuse it, in the same way your bloodthirsty buddy Chumpsky constantly does, rather than just admitting that everything you believe in is a lie and starting over.

Rock on, Pol Pot!

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Sep 15, 2008 2:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Skip this if you are sick of the politics, I am

If you are insinuating this is not a popularity contest and is an important position that requires experience, then deflect this and attack the GOP vp instead of telling us exactly what the DNC p has ever done.

I can tell you some discrepancies:

> 1.) Selma Got Me Born - NOT EXACTLY, your parents felt safe enough to have you in 1961 - Selma had no effect on your birth, as Selma was in 1965. (Google' Obama Selma ' for his full March 4, 2007 speech and articles about its various untruths.)


> 2.) Father Was A Goat Herder - NOT EXACTLY, he was a privileged, well educated youth, who went on to work with the Kenyan Government.


> 3.) Father Was A Proud Freedom Fighter - NOT EXACTLY, he was part of one of the most corrupt and violent governments Kenya has ever had.


> 4.) My Family Has Strong Ties To African Freedom - NOT EXACTLY, your cousin Raila Odinga has created mass violence in attempting to overturn a legitimate election in 2007, in Kenya It is the first widespread violence in decades. The current government is pro-American but Odinga wants to overthrow it and establish Muslim Sharia law. Your half-brother, Abongo Obama, is Odinga's follower. You interrupted your New Hampshire campaigning to speak to Odinga on the phone.

Obama's cousin Odinga in Kenya ran for president and tried to get Sharia muslim law in place there. When Odinga lost the elections, his followers have burned Christians' homes and then burned men, women and children alive in a Christian church where they took shelter.. Obama SUPPORTED his cousin before the election process here started. Google Obama and Odinga and see what you get. No one wants to know the truth.


> 5.) My Grandmother Has Always Been A Christian - NOT EXACTLY, she does her daily Salat prayers at 5 AM according to her own interviews. Not to mention, Christianity wouldn't allow her to have been one of 14 wives to 1 man.


> 6) My Name is African Swahili - NOT EXACTLY, your name is Arabic and 'Baraka' (from which Barack came) means 'blessed' in that language. Hussein is also Arabic and so is Obama.

Barack Hussein Obama is not half black. If elected, he would be the first Arab-American President, not the first black President. Barack Hussein Obama is 50% Caucasian from his mother's side and 43.75% Arabic and 6.25% African Negro from his father's side. While Barack Hussein Obama's father was from Kenya , his father's family was mainly Arabs.. Barack Hussein Obama's father was only 12..5% African Negro and 87.5% Arab (his father's birth certificate even states he's Arab, not African Negro). From....and for more...go to.....

http://www..arcadeathome.com/newsboy.phtml?Barack_Hussein_Obama_-_Arab-American,_only_6..25%_African


> 7.) I Never Practiced Islam - NOT EXACTLY, you practiced it daily at school, where you were registered as a Muslim and kept that faith for 31 years, until your wife made you change, so you could run for office.

4-3-08 Article "Obama was 'quite religious in islam'" http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&;pageId=60559


> 8.) My School In Indonesia was Christian - NOT EXACTLY, you were registered as Muslim there and got in trouble in Koranic Studies for making faces (check your own book).

February 28, 2008. Kristoff from the New York Times a year ago: Mr. Obama recalled the opening lines of the Arabic call to prayer, reciting them with a first-rate accent. In a remark that seemed delightfully uncalculated (it'll give Alabama voters heart attacks), Mr. Obama described the call to prayer as "one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset." This is just one example of what Pamela is talking about when she says "Obama's narrative is being altered, enhanced and manipulated to whitewash troubling facts."


> 9.) I Was Fluent In Indonesian - NOT EXACTLY, not one teacher says you could speak the language.


> 10.) Because I Lived In Indonesia , I Have More Foreign Experience - NOT EXACTLY, you were there from the ages of 6 to 10, and couldn't even speak the language. What did you learn, how to study the Koran and watch cartoons.
> 11.) I Am Stronger On Foreign Affairs - NOT EXACTLY, except for Africa (surprise) and the Middle East (bigger surprise), you have never been anywhere else on the planet and thus have NO experience with our closest allies.

> 12.) I Blame My Early Drug Use On Ethnic Confusion - NOT EXACTLY, you were quite content in high school to be Barry Obama, no mention of Kenya and no mention of struggle to identify - your classmates said you were just fine.

> 13.) An Ebony Article Moved Me To Run For Office - NOT EXACTLY, Ebony has yet to find the article you mention in your book. It doesn't, and never did, exist.

> 14.) A Life Magazine Article Changed My outlook on Life - NOT EXACTLY, Life has yet to find the article you mention in your book. It doesn't, and never did, exist.

> 15.) I Won't Run On A National Ticket In '08 - NOT EXACTLY, here you are, despite saying, live on TV,
> that you would not have enough experience by then, and you are all about having experience first.

> 16.) Voting "Present" is Common In Illinois Senate - NOT EXACTLY, they are common for YOU, but not many others have 130 NO VOTES.

> 17.) Oops, I Mis-voted - NOT EXACTLY, only when caught by church groups and Democrats, did you beg to change your mis-vote.

> 18.) I Was A Professor Of Law - NOT EXACTLY, you were a senior lecturer ON LEAVE.

> 19.) I Was A Constitutional Lawyer - NOT EXACTLY, you were a senior lecturer ON LEAVE.

> 20.) Without Me, There Would Be No Ethics Bill - NOT EXACTLY, you didn't write it, introduce it, change it, or create it.

> 21.) The Ethics Bill Was Hard To Pass - NOT EXACTLY, it took just 14 days from start to finish.

> 22.) I Wrote A Tough Nuclear Bill - NOT EXACTLY, your bill was rejected by your own party for its pandering and lack of all regulation - mainly because of your Nuclear donor, Exelon, from which David Axelrod came.

> 23.) I Have Released My State Records - NOT EXACTLY, as of March, 2008, state bills you sponsored or voted for have yet to be released, exposing all the special interests pork hidden within.

> 24.) I Took On The Asbestos Altgeld Gardens Mess - NOT EXACTLY, you were part of a large group of people who remedied Altgeld Gardens . You failed to mention anyone else but yourself, in your books.

> 25.) My Economics Bill Will Help America - NOT EXACTLY, your 111 economic policies were just combined into a proposal which lost 99-0, and even YOU voted against your own bill.

> 26.) I Have Been A Bold Leader In Illinois - NOT EXACTLY, even your own supporters claim to have not seen BOLD action on your part.

> 27.) I Passed 26 Of My Own Bills In One Year - NOT EXACTLY, they were not YOUR bills, but rather handed to you, after their creation by a fellow Senator, to assist you in a future bid for higher office.

> 28.) No One on my campaign contacted Canada about NAFTA - NOT EXACTLY, the Candian Government issued the names and a memo of the conversation your campaign had with them.

> 29.) I Am Tough On Terrorism - NOT EXACTLY, you missed the Iran Resolution vote on terrorism and your good friend Ali Abunimah supports the destruction of Israel ..

> 30.) I Want All Votes To Count - NOT EXACTLY, you said let the delegates decide.

> 31.) I Want Americans To Decide - NOT EXACTLY, you prefer caucuses that limit the vote, confuse the voters, force a public vote, and only operate during small windows of time.

> 32.) I passed 900 Bills in the State Senate - NOT EXACTLY, you passed 26, most of which you didn't write yourself.

> 33.) I Believe In Fairness, Not Tactics - NOT EXACTLY, you used tactics to eliminate Alice Palmer from running against you.

> 34.) I Don't Take PAC Money - NOT EXACTLY, you take loads of it.

> 35) I don't Have Lobbyists - NOT EXACTLY, you have over 47 lobbyists, and counting.

> 36.) My Campaign Had Nothing To Do With The 1984 Ad - NOT EXACTLY, your own campaign worker made the ad on his Apple in one afternoon.

> 37.) I Have Always Been Against Iraq - NOT EXACTLY, you weren't in office to vote against it AND you have voted to fund it every single time.

> 38.) I Have Always Supported Universal Health Care - NOT EXACTLY, your plan leaves us all to pay for the 15,000,000 who don't have to buy it

I got this in one of those annoying chain letters I usually don't read but found it interesting. I have not personally verified everything but a spot check seems like its on point so far.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Sep 15, 2008 2:34pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Skip this if you are sick of the politics, I am

word brother!!!!

see you all in a month

peace and love

dire

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Poster: spacedface Date: Sep 15, 2008 3:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Skip this if you are sick of the politics, I am

NoiseCollector, it is important to remember that Barack Obama is a politician.

The "facts" do seem worth investigating but scratching the surface they seem bogus.

I'm not going to change your minds if I brought a continents of vaulable facts and analysis, so I won't bother.

I can tell you that Swahili is not Arabic but does have many loan words. And if you think those Africans are "Arab" you really should check out the history of East Africa. Sure Amharic is a Semitic language but that doesn't make the people who speak it Semitic, or maybe it does if or define ethnicity by language.

Obama isn't alone in some comments -- here was an interesting article in the SF chronicle on the Muslim call to prayer and US blues, and in a Scorcese (?) doc on the blues. Reprinted better here:
http://www.saudiaramcoworld.com/issue/200604/muslim.roots.u.s.blues.htm

One guy told me to check out Van Morrison but I forgot the song, maybe "Crazy Love."
la-la-la-la-la-la-la
Which GD song?

In any case I'm sure there will be disappointments with any president. But really doesn't this darkness got to give?

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Sep 15, 2008 2:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Skip this if you are sick of the politics, I am

Ouch!!

Or is that

Snap!!!!

Don't dig too deep NC you might just scare yourself.

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Poster: rastamon Date: Sep 15, 2008 3:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Skip this if you are sick of the politics, I am

lord have mercy NC, don't confuse him with the facts!! (nor i, i love my god ordained grip on the truth-haha)

well, it's the music that matters, left or right. I wonder who named the 2 "wings" makes it seem like the right is right-tee-hee. Boot camp for all you leftist scum!! arghhhhhhhhhhhh!! ;)

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Sep 15, 2008 1:52pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non-Dead McCain Education - Come you masters of war

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article4749183.ece

Coming soon to a county near you!

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Poster: spacedface Date: Sep 15, 2008 3:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non-Dead McCain Education - Come you masters of war

>>You really sound hypocritical>>

I'm sure I have some of that, but then I'm not a right winger running for office claiming the opposite of what I practice. I wouldn't be bleeding heart if I didn't get stabbed.

>>>why not hop in bed with the folks who wear dynamite>>>

Sorry I'm not an NRA member, and thank God I live in a decent area.


>>Damn, I’m glad I’ve got you to explain religious values to me!>>

It' not me babe. Try Matthew 7:12, "So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets."

All the major religions have this sort of wisdom.


>>>McCain knows all he needs to know about economics,>>>

You have to be able to pick advisors to trust. McCains' advisors are lobbyists for group that caused the meltdown.


>>>And as for phony wars and hundreds of thousands killed, who’s kidding who [...] in the name of brainless leftist ideology.>>

You are kidding yourself Psyops.

With those thoughts you are imbibing more propaganda kool aid, and that's the Jonestown kind.

Instead calm down a bit and take some of the GD songs to heart.

Added:
Common techniques of propaganda

Word games
Name-calling
Glittering generalities
Euphemisms
False connections
Transfer
Testimonial
Special Appeals
Plain Folks
Bandwagon
Fear
Logical fallacies
Unwarranted extrapolation

This post was modified by spacedface on 2008-09-15 22:12:03

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Poster: the_full_monte Date: Sep 15, 2008 7:34pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non-Dead McCain Education - Come you masters of war

"You have to be able to pick advisors to trust. McCains' advisors are lobbyists for group that caused the meltdown."

Sorry, Clown Time, but that's where you're wrong. The big champs for Fannie and Freddie were, among others, your boys Chris Dodd and Barrack Obamessiah. The Bush WH is actually on record as warning that both institutions were building some pretty risky looking portfolios, but F & F kept greasing your boys, and guess who kept the Feds at bay?


Look, just give it up- go back to reading Chumpsky and having bake sales for Hamas.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Sep 15, 2008 3:18pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: The new zoo review, coming right at you

Don't forget bush was behind 911 and katrina and hates black people that smash other peoples property in airports.

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Poster: spacedface Date: Sep 15, 2008 3:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The new zoo review, coming right at you

He was derelict in his duties by ignoring all the warning. You do know he was warned personally. The buck stops there.

As far as Katrina goes, his gov't certainly acted liked they hated black people. Round 'em up with guns and stave 'em -- is that what Jesus would do?

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Poster: rastamon Date: Sep 15, 2008 3:44pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The new zoo review, coming right at you

oh no mr bill! the "what would jesus do" card.

He's too busy spinning with Jerry and a new keyboardist

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Sep 15, 2008 3:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The new zoo review, coming right at you

That's weird, I specifically remember bushtard on TV saying something along the lines of "you should leave" when the storm was way out at sea.

I also recall democratic mayors and governers being involved, but they are above criticism.

I am answering you because talking to the other guy is like clapping with one hand.

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Poster: spacedface Date: Sep 15, 2008 4:07pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The new zoo review, coming right at you

>>oh no mr bill! the "what would jesus do" card.

He's too busy spinning with Jerry and a new keyboardist >>


Mon-u-no-rasta, at least you're able to admit he's not bombing countries for things they didn't do!

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Sep 15, 2008 4:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The new zoo review, coming right at you

You read the long post showing all the dems saying they thought there were WMD's right? I wish kerry had won and we could all be slamming him right now... oh wait I'd pay in jail for unpaid taxes, never mind.

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Poster: rastamon Date: Sep 15, 2008 4:16pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The new zoo review, coming right at you

like in Bosnia?

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Sep 15, 2008 4:21pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The new zoo review, coming right at you

Touche... wasn't that LBJ? Or kennedy? Or am I thinking of viet nam?

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Sep 15, 2008 3:52pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The new zoo review, coming right at you

I knew it! You really think that! Awesome, that is hilarious. Tell us about the nazi moonbases and the grassy knoll after your own version of the hobbit.

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Poster: spacedface Date: Sep 15, 2008 4:10pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The new zoo review, coming right at you

>>I knew it! You really think that! Awesome, that is hilarious. Tell us about the nazi moonbases and the grassy knoll after your own version of the hobbit. >>

Not sure what you mean. think what?

Your own private Idaho plays gently in the distance.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Sep 15, 2008 4:14pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The new zoo review, coming right at you

What you said, or most likely what someone else said as you drank the kool aid.

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Poster: spacedface Date: Sep 15, 2008 4:16pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The new zoo review, coming right at you

My kool-aid was made from the water of life, not from poison that drips from a tree from hell.

Graduation Day coming!

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Poster: the_full_monte Date: Sep 16, 2008 5:21am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The new zoo review, coming right at you

OMG...you really are a nut job.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Sep 15, 2008 4:19pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The new zoo review, coming right at you

I don't believe in hell personally, however I know that NJ exists and it is the garden state.

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Poster: rastamon Date: Sep 15, 2008 4:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The new zoo review, coming right at you

imo. alot of the evil done by the USA is by the common folks, and thru their representatives. Jesus loves the little children of the world, not to be bombed or snuffed out before birth. Enough self-condemnation to go around.

In war there are innocent people killed. I believe The USA does not target them, but shit happens in war. A bad guy has a gun fight with police, the police accidently kill an innocent bystander. The bad guy should be prosecuted for that death.
Period.

The USA is (mostly)standing up to that insidious evil alone. And the tree from hell whines in hate & self-loathing, forever the accuser

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Poster: spacedface Date: Sep 15, 2008 4:03pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The neocon mental recession, lose home lose vote Whiners

"The dog hasn't been fed in years" -GD

Hey good news from Wall Street huh? The McCain campaign says things are fine and we're a nation of whiners.

But then John McCain has a long history with bank failures and financial scandals. Critics wonder what he learned from being one of the "Keating 5":
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/02/28/amid_mccains_new_status_old_scandals_stir/

Also,
Republican Party officials have admitted they plan to suppress the vote in November of families that have lost their homes. Plans include party officials who will monitor polls on election day and use foreclosure lists in an attempt to stop voters who have lost their homes from casting their ballots (MI Messenger 9/10/08).


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Poster: spacedface Date: Sep 15, 2008 4:04pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The neocon mental recession, lose home lose vote Whiners

Can't you see, I love you.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Sep 15, 2008 4:07pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The neocon mental recession, lose home lose vote Whiners

I am in the mortgage business (for now) and the only ones to blame are greedy bankers and brokers AND borrowers who used their houses like ATM machines and kept using equity as an expense account. Write bad loans, fill up the pipe with shit and wow, oh my god the values were inflated by appraisers looking to get business?

Your logic will work on uninformed socialists but people who actually know how the markets work won't blame a political party for economic woes... except for carter who was a retard and apparently still is.

Please put aside your hatred or whatever you have for anyone who is not on board the obama express and go out into the world and talk to real people, you'll be surprized.

I wish you the best of luck.

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Poster: spacedface Date: Sep 15, 2008 4:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The neocon mental recession, lose home lose vote Whiners

>>>except for carter>>>

Oh God the guy IS dumb. A nuclear engineer that wears sweaters sometimes -- a dead giveaway for soft on propaganda targets.

Yeah the country got what it deserved after him.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Sep 14, 2008 7:42pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non-Dead McCain Education

While I would not go so far as to say the US is a state sponsor of terrorism, our "good works" at the School of Americas in Fort Benning doesn't exactly place us on high moral ground.

Why can't folks just come out and say that we invaded Iraq in order to remove our bases from Saudi Arabia (per Bin Laden's wishes and impetus for 9-11) to establish the same in Iraq and on the other side of Persia in Afghanistan so as to place Iran in the middle? Perhaps the "true patriots":
http://www.aei.org/scholars/filter.all/scholar_byname.asp
would cop to the same - wasn't it their plan?

Oh yeah, forgot about the plan:
http://www.newamericancentury.org/statementofprinciples.htm

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Poster: the_full_monte Date: Sep 15, 2008 5:25am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non-Dead McCain Education

I find it difficult to believe we would be spending time, money, and resources in Afghanistan for any strategic reason had 9/11 not occurred. I also find it difficult to believe that bin Laden wanted to see his friends and hosts the Taliban ousted, or that however much he may have despised Saddam, he would be indifferent to the idea of the US toppling his regime. So I can't really buy into the idea that all of this was somehow designed to sandwhich Iran between US pressure points (although that's certainly one potential benifit).

As for Bolton, Newt, etc...I can't claim to be familiar with every single name on that list, but the ones I do know are (mostly) okay in my book.

Our good has far outweighed our bad. Room for improvement, certainly, but this idea that American hegemony is a prime
underpinning of evil in the world is something i dismiss out of hand.

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Poster: rastamon Date: Sep 15, 2008 6:23am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non-Dead McCain Education

Randi Rhodes would disagree- heh
she's definitly on my list of my most dispised radio hosts (right up there with Ray Taliafaro)

Said McCain was treated well in Hanoi and Gov Palin had sex with teenage boy's -recently

(I'd forgive her teenage years-haha) I Still wonder where she was on the night of 6/21/80...

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Sep 15, 2008 6:40am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Ralph Paul for Prime Minister

Did anyone see the obama interview on oreily? Anyone really believe fox has ever said anything like the daly koz? Wishing for people's deaths and calling them hitler is slightly different than criticizing someone's record and experience. Hannity is a terd by the way, but why do people hate oreilly so much? Also did you notice clinton would not come on till she was behind in the primaries and obama only after his momentum sputters out? Talk about opportunists.

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Poster: rastamon Date: Sep 15, 2008 7:54am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Ralph Paul for Prime Minister (non dead)

I heard the O'Riley interview...he was more than fair with Hussain. I like Hannity, but a persistant sob, aye?
Osama would'nt dare go on his show, looking forward to Gov Palin's interview with Hannity.

A few years ago, Savage interviewed McCain- who soon hung up on him, could'nt take the heat from that turd-haha.
McCain, to his credit, was pushing for a surge 3yrs ago. I've no love affair with him, but will probably vote Republicrap this time around. F Obamayomama!

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Sep 14, 2008 3:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Poll question- Is America sponsoring terrorism?

Did you lift that last part from my song?

http://www.archive.org/download/3things/003_does_not_compute_vbr.mp3

And you really believe we are state sponsors of terrorism? Now I know not to bother paying attention! That is like me coming out with racial slurs against obama and people being ok with it. Crazy world.